As Sirius: Well, maybe in that moment it feels it is. I mean, there’s different loves, like love for your best mate, which isn’t a sexy type love. Though sometimes it turns that way, doesn’t it? And sex, well, sometimes you’re just trying it on, and sometimes a person is just new and exciting and you end up not loving them at all. Then again, in that moment, you know, when it’s you and it’s them and you feel so alive that you might die, so good you never want it to end — in that moment, it’s love. Or it can feel like that. I think, like I said there’s different types of love, maybe there’s different types of sex, too, because when you really love someone, when you really do … it’s different again. Then, every breath, every pause, every time you put your mouth on them, you’re expressing something you can never express to its fullest, never quench, never get out — but you want to, you want to get it out, because you want to give them everything, all of it, all that love, inside them.

As Me: The problem with this statement is the “=” because obviously these two aren’t equal, even assuming we’re talking about romantic love here. “=” would mean they are exactly the same, which they are not. I will say that I’ve not had sex with everyone I’ve fallen in love with (and in the cases where I did they didn’t always love me) nor have I loved everyone I’ve had sex with. But my personal experimentation has led me to decide that for myself (I cannot speak for others) the two go best together and I hope in the future not to have one without the other, though I don’t necessarily have faith that I’ll be so lucky.

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Well, there’s this thing called an OTP tag. I guess you don’t get so much random stuff in it, or so much hate, or something, so it’s a nice place to be. I think fuckyeahremussirius invented ours.The 40 lines later phrase comes from a key passage in the Remus/Sirius Canon (Yes, their canon, I said it). Here’s the passage from OotP p84, UK; p88, US: Ron, Hermione, Fred and George’s heads swiveled from Sirius to Mrs Weasley as though they were following a tennis rally. Ginny was kneeling amid a pile of abandoned Butterbeer corks, watching the conversation with her mouth slightly open. Lupin’s eyes were fixed on Sirius. […forty lines later…] “Personally,” said Lupin quietly, looking away from Sirius at last… (You can see it on the page here.) So, as you read, during this scene, Remus is inexplicably STARING at Sirius, while everyone else is looking back and forth to follow the argument. And why specifically note when he looks away except to specify the sheer duration of his scrutiny? I don’t know about you, but I’m usually pretty obsessed with someone when I stare like that. (I’m a bit of a starer, actually, it’s a problem.) This ties into another observation, made by Elwing. I shall quote her: “[Remus] is described as looking at Sirius more than any other character. This is, to my mind, comparable with Ron, who spends a great deal of his time staring at Hermione.Indeed, I did a survey. There are about forty-five pages where Remus and Sirius are together (that’s in the British copies). During those forty-five pages they look at one another fifteen times. In forty-five pages, Ron and Hermione look at one another nine times and Harry and Hermione look at one another five times - and that’s including quotes like “Harry looked at Ron and Hermione”. If it were just “Harry / Ron looked at Hermione” the numbers would be even smaller.Remus and Sirius look at one another so much it could almost be considered abnormal. I like to call it the “I-Can’t-Take-My-Eyes-Off-You” syndrome. :)” So, there you go. That’s the significance of 40 Lines Later. If you ever want to know more about the R/S Canon, you can read my crash course, or go for the full break down in the form of Elwing’s Essay. There’s also plenty of discussion to be dug up in my rlsb tag. Thanks for the question, xxA

Well, there’s this thing called an OTP tag. I guess you don’t get so much random stuff in it, or so much hate, or something, so it’s a nice place to be.

I think fuckyeahremussirius invented ours.

The 40 lines later phrase comes from a key passage in the Remus/Sirius Canon (Yes, their canon, I said it). Here’s the passage from OotP p84, UK; p88, US:

Ron, Hermione, Fred and George’s heads swiveled from Sirius to Mrs Weasley as though they were following a tennis rally. Ginny was kneeling amid a pile of abandoned Butterbeer corks, watching the conversation with her mouth slightly open. Lupin’s eyes were fixed on Sirius.

[…forty lines later…]

“Personally,” said Lupin quietly, looking away from Sirius at last…

(You can see it on the page here.)

So, as you read, during this scene, Remus is inexplicably STARING at Sirius, while everyone else is looking back and forth to follow the argument. And why specifically note when he looks away except to specify the sheer duration of his scrutiny?

I don’t know about you, but I’m usually pretty obsessed with someone when I stare like that. (I’m a bit of a starer, actually, it’s a problem.)

This ties into another observation, made by Elwing. I shall quote her:

“[Remus] is described as looking at Sirius more than any other character. This is, to my mind, comparable with Ron, who spends a great deal of his time staring at Hermione.

Indeed, I did a survey. There are about forty-five pages where Remus and Sirius are together (that’s in the British copies). During those forty-five pages they look at one another fifteen times. In forty-five pages, Ron and Hermione look at one another nine times and Harry and Hermione look at one another five times - and that’s including quotes like “Harry looked at Ron and Hermione”. If it were just “Harry / Ron looked at Hermione” the numbers would be even smaller.

Remus and Sirius look at one another so much it could almost be considered abnormal. I like to call it the “I-Can’t-Take-My-Eyes-Off-You” syndrome. :)”

So, there you go. That’s the significance of 40 Lines Later.

If you ever want to know more about the R/S Canon, you can read my crash course, or go for the full break down in the form of Elwing’s Essay. There’s also plenty of discussion to be dug up in my rlsb tag.

Thanks for the question,

xxA

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The ones that love us never really leave us.

The ones that love us never really leave us.

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When Remus/Tonks happened in HBP it kind of broke my heart, because Remus/Sirius always meant so much to me. That’s why I quietly despise all manifestations of R/T. It’s nothing against the pairing, really. There’s no reason both romances couldn’t have occurred, I know that. But with matters of the heart — you know how it is — there’s always an irrational element. You always get emotional or defensive or aggressive or whatever when it’s unnecessary or inappropriate.

Bitterness so often accompanies a broken heart. Hurt that you carry with you for long after it makes sense to. People you can’t talk to without burning inside, people you act crazy around, though they aren’t the cause of unfairness in the world, not at all.

There’s a need in us to hold on to meaning, and we fight those who would make us let go.

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melissaanelli:

Homonum Revelio: Anonymous asked rereadingharry: “do you know which, if any, episodes of pottercast mention rl/sb?”

rereadingharry:

The Pottercast folk have always had very little to say about slash pairings, but there is a brief discussion on them in PotterCast 234: Good Ship Bad Ship. Since being asked this question, I went back, took a listen, and transcribed the R/S bit for you (here). They didn’t say anything new,…

Just so you know, that’s not the case at all; in fact, I would have been quite happy had Sirius and Remus ended up together. My friend David was pretty angry that they didn’t, and we had to console him. :) This is not the first time I’ve heard this, and I’m troubled to think it came off that way, that I didn’t note and fix that leaning in the text.

But back in the day, that was the main thrust of all the fanfiction. THEIR LOVE IS SO TORTURED AGGHGGHGHGHGHGHGHGHGHGHGH. :)

This post brought to you by extreme procrastination abilities.

Aha, thanks for going on record, Melissa Anelli. Awesome. And another lesson in the ambiguity of the written word.

There you have it, folks.

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“Professor Lupin?” he said. “If you knew my dad, you must’ve known Sirius Black as well.” Lupin turned very quickly. “What gives you that idea?” he said sharply. “Nothing — I mean, I just knew they were friends at Hogwarts, too…” Lupin’s face relaxed. “Yes, I knew him,” he said shortly.

“Professor Lupin?” he said. “If you knew my dad, you must’ve known Sirius Black as well.”

Lupin turned very quickly. “What gives you that idea?” he said sharply.

“Nothing — I mean, I just knew they were friends at Hogwarts, too…”

Lupin’s face relaxed. “Yes, I knew him,” he said shortly.

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thatsliquidluck: #i made them kiss okay Okay!

thatsliquidluck:

#i made them kiss okay

Okay!

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fuckyeahremussirius:

So I was thinking, when was the last time you actually read that scene in the shack though? We talk about it all the time, but I hadn’t read it in months.

The amount of fucking subtext is truly ridiculous.

That whole bit where Remus is working it all out. I mean, Ron is bleeding out on the floor, Harry is going quite loudly mental, Hermione is doing whatever it is that Hermione does (revising?), and yet still all they see is each other. They pay literally no attention to the mass of traumatised teenagers surrounding them because Harry Potter, Ronald Weasley and Hermione Granger, with all their talent and love and significance for the wizarding race, are not as important at this moment. The only things in the world are Remus and Sirius as 13 years break between them. As their worlds collide and shatter.

I love fanfiction more than is healthy, but shit son, nothing will ever beat the canon that started this all.

“…nothing will ever beat the canon that started this all.”

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concetta-: rereadingharry: doctorabbywatson: rereadingharry: *sobs* I think they were together, but never like they were before, and there were a lot more secrets and hidden places and darkness that neither ever really bridged. And I think Azkaban would have made it very hard for Sirius to re-acclimatise to closeness and affection. I mean, if he’s startled by Hermione being polite then an actual relationship must have been almost painful… ^!! i dislike fanships like this. not that i care if they were gay, but just because it imposes something onto the text that isn’t there. granted, assumptions can be made about dumbledore and grindlewald, especially after interviews with j.k. rowling stating that she herself toyed with the idea. but what’s important about not stating these characters’ sexuality (and even stating heterosexuality in lupin’s case) is that the characters are meant to be so much more than their sexual orientation. they should be loved based on their bravery and strength, not because they represent a certain demographic that is otherwise absent. 1. JKR did not merely toy with Grindelwald/Dumbledore — she stated several times that she indeed intended it to be so, and pointed out its importance to the outcome of the story. 2. Remus indeed marries a woman, but that does not mean he is heterosexual; there are all sorts of people out there being erased when we think like that, eg. bisexual people, pansensual people, people who simply fall in love with someone they didn’t expect to, and people who do not identify with constructed categories. 3. Thinking that a character had a same-sex relationship does not preclude loving them for their other traits. I don’t see the logic there. I agree that sexual orientation should not be the sum total of a character, but slash ships neither cause this nor are a symptom of it. It’s true that queer people look for characters to identify with who may be subtextually queer because there are so few that overtly are. This is not something we should be faulted for (everyone looks for themselves in characters, whether those characters were intended to be like them or not) nor does it mean we aren’t looking at and respecting other character traits, too. 3b. I also don’t see how we can say this is “what’s important about not stating these characters’ sexuality” — assuming that this not-stating is deliberate, it only ensures that people of a heteronormative mindset can go on safely assuming that everyone is heterosexual. Which is great for them, I guess. It’s not the one provision saving characters from the fate of being defined by their sexuality; people who can’t see past a three-dimensional character’s queerness are homophobic people, not slash shippers. 3c. Why is it that heterosexual characters can be more than their orientation, but not queer characters? 4. While there may be a fanship or two out there that ” imposes something onto the text that isn’t there,” generally fanships examine and celebrate a connection that does exist in the text. Wolfstar is certainly a case of this — I would argue that of all the slash fan ships out there, it is the most canon-based, though I am bias. The thing is, we talk about canon all the freaking time, and this is not “imposing” on the text, it is *analyzing* it, and listen, there is only one thing we can know the author intended for the text: she intended it to be analyzed.

concetta-:

rereadingharry:

doctorabbywatson:

rereadingharry:

*sobs*

I think they were together, but never like they were before, and there were a lot more secrets and hidden places and darkness that neither ever really bridged. And I think Azkaban would have made it very hard for Sirius to re-acclimatise to closeness and affection. I mean, if he’s startled by Hermione being polite then an actual relationship must have been almost painful…

^!!

i dislike fanships like this. not that i care if they were gay, but just because it imposes something onto the text that isn’t there. granted, assumptions can be made about dumbledore and grindlewald, especially after interviews with j.k. rowling stating that she herself toyed with the idea. but what’s important about not stating these characters’ sexuality (and even stating heterosexuality in lupin’s case) is that the characters are meant to be so much more than their sexual orientation. they should be loved based on their bravery and strength, not because they represent a certain demographic that is otherwise absent.

1. JKR did not merely toy with Grindelwald/Dumbledore — she stated several times that she indeed intended it to be so, and pointed out its importance to the outcome of the story.

2. Remus indeed marries a woman, but that does not mean he is heterosexual; there are all sorts of people out there being erased when we think like that, eg. bisexual people, pansensual people, people who simply fall in love with someone they didn’t expect to, and people who do not identify with constructed categories.

3. Thinking that a character had a same-sex relationship does not preclude loving them for their other traits. I don’t see the logic there. I agree that sexual orientation should not be the sum total of a character, but slash ships neither cause this nor are a symptom of it. It’s true that queer people look for characters to identify with who may be subtextually queer because there are so few that overtly are. This is not something we should be faulted for (everyone looks for themselves in characters, whether those characters were intended to be like them or not) nor does it mean we aren’t looking at and respecting other character traits, too.

3b. I also don’t see how we can say this is “what’s important about not stating these characters’ sexuality” — assuming that this not-stating is deliberate, it only ensures that people of a heteronormative mindset can go on safely assuming that everyone is heterosexual. Which is great for them, I guess. It’s not the one provision saving characters from the fate of being defined by their sexuality; people who can’t see past a three-dimensional character’s queerness are homophobic people, not slash shippers.

3c. Why is it that heterosexual characters can be more than their orientation, but not queer characters?

4. While there may be a fanship or two out there that ” imposes something onto the text that isn’t there,” generally fanships examine and celebrate a connection that does exist in the text. Wolfstar is certainly a case of this — I would argue that of all the slash fan ships out there, it is the most canon-based, though I am bias. The thing is, we talk about canon all the freaking time, and this is not “imposing” on the text, it is *analyzing* it, and listen, there is only one thing we can know the author intended for the text: she intended it to be analyzed.

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OTP: 40 Lines Later

fuckyeahremussirius:

Earlier I posed a question I got asked about what a good OTP tag would be good for Sirius/Remus. Reponses ranged from the hilarious (OTP: Fleas Are Now A Sexually Transmitted Disease) to the brilliant (OTP: It’s Pretty Much Canon Already) and a whole lot of Shoebox Project references besides (OTP: Rocks Have Urges Too).

Having ruled out the Shoebox ones (you know I love it, but it’s stupid to alienate people who haven’t read it. We be lovin’ all the sweet lord’s shippers, not just the Shoeboxers, y’all), the most popular was OTP: 40 Lines Later, or variations thereof. So if we want to make it happen then we can all go with that. I will track it obsessively because I am insane and think it’s an awesome tag name.

This was a lot of a fun though. I haven’t done many questions opened up to people before because I get so nervous that no one will answer them and this completely unbroken facade of professionalism and competence (haha) will crumble, but this was fucking great. You people are sort of awesome.

Let’s make this happen.

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fishfingersandblainers 

wecanshinebrighterthanthestars:

Can I just say:

“Ron, Hermione, Fred and George’s heads swivelled from Sirius to Mrs Weasley as though they were following a tennis rally. Ginny was kneeling amid a pile of abandoned Butterbeer corks, watching the conversation with her mouth slightly open. Lupin’s eyes were fixed on Sirius.”

And forty lines of wild argument later

“Personally,” said Lupin quietly, looking away from Sirius at last…”

-Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix-

Forty fucking lines dude COULD YOU BE ANY MORE OBVIOUS

I remember that scene. I was like ‘HOLY SHIT DUDE. Stare a bit more, I don’t think the blind guy noticed — oh wait, nevermind. he did”

Remus never could train himself not to stare.

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Like an old married couple.

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switchbladesister: I’m so excited— Leigh @ Pretty Little Charms finished my custom necklace order. And I love it.  Click on the image to check out her store. She’s a sweetheart and will work with you if you have a specific quote you’d like to have set in a pendent for a necklace/ring/cufflink, etc. I can’t wait for it to get heeeeeere *Covetous*

switchbladesister:

I’m so excited—

Leigh @ Pretty Little Charms finished my custom necklace order. And I love it. 

Click on the image to check out her store. She’s a sweetheart and will work with you if you have a specific quote you’d like to have set in a pendent for a necklace/ring/cufflink, etc.

I can’t wait for it to get heeeeeere

*Covetous*

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doctorabbywatson: rereadingharry: doctorabbywatson: rereadingharry: rereadingharry: This moment always gives me a thrill — it never wears off. Look at that! And the look on their faces is totally “maybe we should have told Harry that we like to sit with our arms around eachother (etc.) before he walked in and saw us sitting like this.” And, like, guys, the whole Order is there. They are having a meeting with the Order and Sirius just casually has his arm around Remus, like, no big deal. And he definitely does — you can see the folds in the fabric on his shoulder where the other side is smooth. I know this is film!canon, which doesn’t really count as canon support, but it still makes me squeeful.  Watching Ootp/f tonight and had to pause to rave about this moment. Could they be sitting any closer together? What I love about this is that something in the book obviously made someone (be it the director, the actors, the writers, whatever) think that this is in character for Sirius and Remus in a public setting. I’m not suggesting that its evidence of their Epic Love (although okay it totally is) but what I am saying is we didn’t imagine the connection. We aren;t making this up. Other peope see something there too, even if to them it is just close friendship, you know? YES YES, précisément. (I couldn’t even queue this; I wanted to agree right away.) And I mean, to some degree Rowling must have felt this was natural to them too, and I think it just validates that fact that they are incredibly close and if nothing else they are best friends (because I have seen people legitimately argue that they aren’t friends, that Sirius was only there for James and Remus because he had no-one else) and in this case they are a unit and they act together. It’s interesting that you say there are a “unit” and “act together” because a very nice gif break-down of this moment led me to state a similar thing, observing the way their hand gestures are similar, as well as nearly synchronized? Here is the relevant gif: Of course, I do hope that this reflects JKR’s feelings about their relationship, but it’s hard to say with the films, because you never know what she has been particular about and what she hasn’t, what she has allowed to slide vs. agreed with.

doctorabbywatson:

rereadingharry:

doctorabbywatson:

rereadingharry:

rereadingharry:

This moment always gives me a thrill — it never wears off. Look at that! And the look on their faces is totally “maybe we should have told Harry that we like to sit with our arms around eachother (etc.) before he walked in and saw us sitting like this.”

And, like, guys, the whole Order is there. They are having a meeting with the Order and Sirius just casually has his arm around Remus, like, no big deal. And he definitely does — you can see the folds in the fabric on his shoulder where the other side is smooth.

I know this is film!canon, which doesn’t really count as canon support, but it still makes me squeeful. 

Watching Ootp/f tonight and had to pause to rave about this moment. Could they be sitting any closer together?

What I love about this is that something in the book obviously made someone (be it the director, the actors, the writers, whatever) think that this is in character for Sirius and Remus in a public setting. I’m not suggesting that its evidence of their Epic Love (although okay it totally is) but what I am saying is we didn’t imagine the connection. We aren;t making this up. Other peope see something there too, even if to them it is just close friendship, you know?

YES YES, précisément. (I couldn’t even queue this; I wanted to agree right away.)

And I mean, to some degree Rowling must have felt this was natural to them too, and I think it just validates that fact that they are incredibly close and if nothing else they are best friends (because I have seen people legitimately argue that they aren’t friends, that Sirius was only there for James and Remus because he had no-one else) and in this case they are a unit and they act together.

It’s interesting that you say there are a “unit” and “act together” because a very nice gif break-down of this moment led me to state a similar thing, observing the way their hand gestures are similar, as well as nearly synchronized? Here is the relevant gif:



Of course, I do hope that this reflects JKR’s feelings about their relationship, but it’s hard to say with the films, because you never know what she has been particular about and what she hasn’t, what she has allowed to slide vs. agreed with.

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suspicionhunts:

i wish we’d gotten more remus and sirius scenes in the ootp movie… but at least they gave us some crumbs, i mean, look at how close they are sitting… there’s plenty of space left on that table, sirius…

That’s seriously intimate proximity.

And look at the way they’re synchronized - touching the table in time, straightening up in time.

[I’m bumping this up the queue because this scene is coincidentally currently a topic for discussion]

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